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on the table. senator manchin is one of the nra's brightest stars on capitol hill. the nra endorsed him in his 2010 west virginia senate race. manchin filled a campaign ad where he filed a bullet through the copy of the cap and trade bill. now manchin is open to the snat tor's bill. >> i believe it's time for all of us to sit down and look at the bill. if diane is saying basically assault weapons, i don't know anyone in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle. i don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. >> okay, it's encouraging to see so many lawmakers speaking forcely about the need for change. but it's frustrating to know that we've been down this road before, a 1989 -- 1989 -- shooting led to the first assault weapons ban. but here we are. no ban is in place today. the kbun industry couldn't be happier or more profitable. and no ban is there. so they can give us wonderful stuff like this. this is a drum-style magazine from an assault rifle, just like the one the newtown shooter used. it can hold up to 90 bullets at a time. let me read you a
look at these fast clip of ammunition. senator manchin is one of the nra's brightest stars on capitol hill. the nra endorsed him at the 2010 west virginia senate race. manchin ran a campaign ad where he fired a bill through the cap and trade bill. >> i think this is time for us to sit down and move in a responsible manner and i think they will. if dianne is saying assault weapons, i don't know anyone in the sporting arena that needs that for hunting. >> it's frustrating to know that we've been down here before. a 1989 school shooting in stockton, california, led to the first assault weapons ban in the nation. five years later, a federal ban was adopted by congress. here we are, no ban is in place today. the gun industry just couldn't be happier or more profitable and no ban is there. so they can give us wonderful stuff like this. this is a drum-style magazine from an assault rifle just like the one the newtown shooter used. it can hold up to 90 bullets at a time. let me read you the description of this product from a gun company that we won't say their name so they don't get extra pub
from the nra. senator manchin famously used a rifle to shoot legislation in one campaign ad. but that was before newtown. today, he said this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody. anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud them ber of the nra, they're also proud parents and proud grandparents. they understand. this has changed, where we go from here. everything has to be on the table and i think it will be. >> now is the time, not months from now, not years from now, but now. martin luther king, jr. once says change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability but comes through continuous struggle. it will be a struggle to get gun laws changed. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for it. joining me now is congressman joe courtney, democrat from connecticut and congressman john yomoff, democrat from kentucky. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> let me start with you, congressman, the
's got to be a way to put reasonable ideas on the table. senator manchin is one of the nra's brightest stars on capitol hill. the nra endorsed him in his 2010 west virginia senate race. manchin filled a campaign ad where he filed a bullet through the copy of the cap and trade bill. now manchin is open to the senator's bill. >> i believe it's time for all of us to sit down and look at the bill. if diane is saying basically assault weapons, i don't know anyone in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle. i don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. >> okay, it's encouraging to see so many lawmakers speaking forcely about the need for change. but it's frustrating to know that we've been down this road that's called the gun show loop. well, the nra sells people on buying these weapons and then use this fear to convince them that their freedom is going to be taken away from them. i want the nra to tell the families of newtown, connecticut, how much fun this bushmaster rifle is. i want to ask leaders how fun this has been for the country. some p
by the president be enough? >>> revolting, tone-deaf, disastrous. the nra blames everything but guns for gun violence in america including 20-year-old video games, and they reverse an opportunity to heal the country for a commercial for more guns. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> congressman jim moran and reverend jesse jackson react to today's circus. >> this is the beginning of a serious conversation. we won't be taking questions. >>> reporting for duty. >> and john kerry biographer douglas brinkley on the senator's big nomination. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. it's home for the holidays with no deal. house speaker john boehner only has himself to blame. boehner's plan b gimmick failed big time last night at this point a fiscal cliff deal with boehner's members would probably require divine intervention. >> how we get there, god only knows. but all i've done is -- eric and i and our team here are committed to working with our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, both sides of the capitol and the white house
, was that the national rifle association, the nra, was holding their annual convention a week later in colorado. in denver, colorado, only about a 20-minute drive from where the columbine massacre happened. the nra said they would not cancel their conference because of columbine, but they did scale it down to a one-day event. it had been planned to be a three-day thing. and in response to the tragedy at columbine and the awful coincidence of the nra conference that was being planned for just a few days after the shooting the nra put out a statement in the form of a letter to its members that said, "our spirits must endure this terrible suffering together and so must the freedoms that bring us together. we must stand in unshakeable unity, even in this time of anguish." about a week after that an nra spokesman said it really was "not the most appropriate time and place to debate public policy." so not a good time to talk about policy. that was the nra's response to columbine. fast-forward almost exactly eight years to april 16th, 2007. a student at virginia tech in blacksburg, virginia shoots and
the buyer being subject to a background check. even nra members, 74% of nra members and 89% of all gun owners want background checks before anybody can get a gun, so the men and women in congress have to stiffen their backs, not be afraid of the organization the nra, because the members of the nra are better than the organization, and it's time for us to act finally once and for all. >> howard, your boss, mayor michael bloomberg, has been leading the charge on gun control throughout the year. he was on "meet the press" yesterday and had strong words calling on the president to exhibit leadership on the issue. i think there is a sense nationally that this time is different. we just talked to chris jansing on the ground in newtown, but that there is -- that i think for folks who have wanted to see reform on our nation's gun laws, that this could be an inflexion point. does the mayor share that feeling? >> he hopes so. you know, i may be alone in this, but i am just no longer comforted by comforting words. i feel like as the governor said, you know, we've become very good at doing these m
that. and that is where the vast majority of the money from the nra comes from, is from the gun industry. and a very, very few individuals who are obsessed with guns. it is not the vast majority, the 4 million members. many people join the nra because they have to in order to use the shooting range. >> yeah, they're showing that the dues now from supporting the nra amounts to less than half of their revenue at this stage. >> yes, a lot of this money is coming from the gun industry. and as i say, a few die-hard adherents, people who do not want to compromise at all. >> richard >>> good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show." tonight from minneapolis, the republican party is in ruins. maybe we can actually get a deal now. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> call me a hopeless optimist, but i actually still think we can get it done. >> president obama is doing everything he can to avert a fiscal cliff disaster for the middle class. the republican implosion gives democrats even more leverage in the fiscal cliff negotiations. i'll ask dnc chairwoman debbie wasserma
president of the nra, wayne lapierre. answering questions for the first time since this shooting. i want to get right to it. welcome back to the program. >> thank you, david. >> you promised in the wake of this massacre 26 people murdered that the nra would, quote, offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. if we boil down your appearance before the news media on friday, this was your message. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> you proposed armed guards in school. we'll talk about that in some detail in a moment. you confronted the news media, you blamed hollywood and the gaming industry but never once did you concede that guns could actually be part of the problem. is that a meaningful contribution, mr. lapierre, or a dodge? >> david, i said what i honestly thought and what hundreds of millions of people all over this country will believe will actually make a difference. i can't imagine a more horrible tragedy than what happened. we all have 5-year-olds in our family in some way. we all put ourselves in that sit
, unfortunately, that for literally years there's not been a head. the nra and gun lobbyists successfully even stopped the basic organization in charge of enforcement of our gun laws in america. >> when the late charlton heston would run that ad for the nra, he would wave some old musket near and say, from my cold dead hands, which i thought was awful to begin with, the absolute nature of that demand that they hold onto the gun, but he never waved an ak-47, never showed a 30-round clip in the air with a big banana. he never did that because people don't think of that as american revolution era. they think of that as state of the art mass killing. >> of course it is. and those are military weapons, military assault weapons. and, you know, thank goodness law enforcement turned up in newtown when it did or the list of children who had been killed and teachers would have been much, much longer. think about what happened in aurora, colorado. that man stood in front of a crowded theater spraying that audience with one of these assault weapons, and the only thing that stopped him emptying the 100 car
mass executions like today's. leaders in washington from both parties and groups like the nra all say that now is not the time to talk about how gun safety laws can save lives in america. i agree. now is not the time to talk about gun laws. the time for that conversation was long before all those kids in connecticut died today." carolyn mccarthy's mention of the national rifle association, the nra is what everybody is talking about when they talk about the need for leadership regardless of the political consequences on this issue. when the president today said we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics, he was talking there about the power of the nra as a lobby. and it is true that they have so dominated their field of policy that instead of having the gun laws most americans would like to have, it sometimes seems like instead we as a nation just have the gun policies that the members of the nra would want. that is the impression that we all have. but that is not at all true either. we do not have th
of that debate, the ceo and executive vice president of the nra, wayne lapierre. i want to get right to it. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> you proposed armed guards in school. we'll talk about that in some detail in a moment. you confronted the news media, you blamed hollywood and the gaming industry but never once did you concede that guns could actually be part of the problem. is that meaningful contribution, mr. lapierre, or a dodge? >> david, i said what i honestly thought and what hundreds of millions of people all over this country will believe will actually make a difference. i can't imagine a more horrible tragedy. we all have 5-year-olds in our family in some way. we all put ourselves in that situation and have tears in our eyes. the nra, we have 11,000 police training instructors, 80,000 police families, we're 4 million members and we set down and we said what can we do will actually make a difference today to make these kids safe? >> but not conceding guns play any role about the meaningful contribution? >> look, i know there's a m
today's. leaders in washington from both parties and groups like the nra all say now is not the time to auction about how gun safety laws save lives in america, i agree, now is not the time to talk good gun laws the, the time was long before all those kids in connecticut died today. carolyn mccarthy's mention of the nra is what everyone is talking about when people talk about the need for leadership regardless of the political consequences on this issue. when the president said we have to come together to take meaningful action regardsless of the politics, he was talking about the nra as a lobby. and it's true, they have so dominated their field of policy, instead of having the gun laws that most americans would like to have. it seems like instead we have the gun policies that the members of the nra want, that's the impression that we have, but it's not at all true either. why do not have the gun policies in this nation that members of the nra want for this nation. look at the polling from july of this year. this is nra members. 74% of nra members believe that everyone who wants to b
association's proposal in response to last week's deadly attack in nu oun. the nra says more schools should have guards armed with guns of their own. nbc justice correspondent pete williams says s in washington for more on this. can you break down the nra's solution? >> the nra says the answer to combating school violence is simple. it says banks, power plarngts congress, and the president are protected with armed security and the nation's schools should be guarded that way, too. after a week of calls for tighter gun restrictions and signs of a possible shift in public attitudes, about access to the weapons like the rifle used in connecticut, the national rifle association instead called for putting more armed security officers in the nation's schools. the. >> the onlying that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> reporter: the nra's wayne la pierre says children in most schools are defenseless because the schools proclaim to be places without guns. >> they tell every insane killer in america that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. >>
in joe and the other top aides in white house and said, we have to act within ten days before the nra gets organized. and they failed to do it. they tried and they failed. and lbj had a bill that had been bottled up in committee for months and months for, you know, licensing and registration and they signed something much, much less in october and he spoke out, president johnson did, in october of 1968, forcefully and angrily about the failure even after robert kennedy's death to do something to defeat the gun lobby. while i have the spirit of the season and a feeling that things have changed and saw joe's powerful -- joe, your powerful statement in the aftermath, in the immediate aftermath of the killings, i have my doubts as to whether this president and this congress have the guts and the strength and the political courage to go forward. >> they have to move quickly, don't they, john heilemann? >> yeah, i think they do. you can't lose them. the sense of moral urgency that comes with proximity to this thing. and right now the nra is on its heels defenders of our insanely permissive
press conferences in recent memory. with nra's chief wayne lapierre giving what felt less than a news conference and more than a 30 minute case for ending gun violence with more guns. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. and to do it now. to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in january. >> oh, boy. this news conference monolog was interrupted not once but twice by protesters who wrote this on sheets. >> nra scope killing our children. it's the nra and the assault weapons that are killing our children. not armed teachers. we got to end the violence. we got to stop the killing. >> so the ceo of the nation's largest gun lobby echoed the old refrain guns don't kill people, people kill people. seven days after newtown, lapierre called for armed police in every school and a national mental health registry. that's right. register people who have mental health problems
, december 19th. christmas is almost here. >> very respectful dialogue. the nra had a respectful statement. i think a lot of people showing respect on this. >> feel something may be be happening. >> feel some grown-ups, maybe. there are, of course, exceptions. >> there are a few. we have mike barnicle with us. you're not an exception. beautiful piece in "the daily news" today. we'll read that in must read. thank you very much. former treasury officials. mark ratner is with us as well. he has a must read. i'm serious. >> beautiful. >> also in washington, washington anchor for "bbc world news america" katty kay. >> no pieces, sorry. >> you'll write one next time. thank you. so we've got a lot to get to this morning. >> a lot to talk about today. >> those exceptions, what are you talking about? >> just in the conversation about everything you thought there were two exceptions. >> rick perry, governor of texas, and -- >> is it bob -- >> they said we need to -- we need to arm teachers. >> we have to think about it. >> somebody in the school with a gun. >> guns in school. that's great. you know wha
support is out there. 74% of nra members support criminal background checks. you know, that consensus is out there. we just have to make that felt in the halls of congress. >> but the important political consensus is of the organization the nra that can mobilize numbers of voters who will vote on that issue only. and the nra leadership has been the enablers of the mass murderers. and they've got to be called on it. they've got to be called on it by the president and the leaders of congress to confront the nra leadership, as bob said. nra members, they're okay with reasonable gun controls. the nra leadership has been fanatic and frankly functions as enablers to mass murder, and they've got to be stopped on that. >> and we just accept at face value some of the rhetoric that -- lindsey graham was on tv the other night saying, you know, in response to talking about sensible gun laws that no, i believe in the second amendment, i like to hunt. you know, that is not contrary to the sensible gun laws that anybody is advocating. you know, when you talk about something like criminal background
seen the assault weapons ban come and go. >> the nra's number one -- this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. >> it not a myth that after the assault weapons ban was passed, there was a huge political price for democrats to pay. and nearly 20 years later, they don't want to touch the issue. >> it is true that they lost a lot of seats then t cause and effect isn't quite so clear. and what happened then isn't what happens now. if 27 people killed, to children, if this isn't enough to change the mentality, the saipsyc psych ke of the american public. >> we have this assault rifle, the pistol, the semi-automatic pistols, the 9 millimeters, but we're also learning that these weapons were found and legally purchased by his mother, at her home. she lives in a rural area and had them for self-defense. >> i can't tell you if you stopped people who have psychiatric problems, who have criminal records who have substance abuse problems, who are minors, if you ever stopped any of them from guy buying a gun, that this particular event would not take place. this is just o
a conservative republican who received the nra's highest ratings over four terms in congress. i saw this debate over guns as a powerful symbolic struggle between individual rights and government control. and you know what? in the years after waco and ruby ridge, the symbolism of that debate seemed even more powerful to me. but the symbols of that ideological struggle, they've been shattered by the harvest's own from violent, mind-numbing video games and gruesome hollywood movies that dangerously desensitize those who struggle with mental health challenges. and then add in military-styled weapons and high-capacity magazines to that equation, and tragedy can never be too far behind. you know, there's no easy ideological way forward. if it were only that simple as to blame hollywood or the nra or insufficient funding for mental health, then our task would be completed in no time. but i come to you this morning with a heavy heart and no easy answers. still, i've spent the past few days grasping for solutions and struggling for answers. while daring to question my own long-held belief on these subje
time i checked the election results, he won and won comfortably. this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. >> it's not a myth that after the assault weapons ban was passed, there was a huge political price for democrats to pay. and nearly 20 years later, they don't want to touch the issues. >> well, it is true that they lost a lot of seats then. the cause and effect isn't quite so clear. and what happened then isn't what happens now. if 27 people killed -- 20 children isn't enough to change the psyches and the desires of the american public -- >> let's talk about this, mr. mayor. here is the reality. let's look at the weapons that were recovered from the scene of the disaster. you have this bushmaster assault rifle. this would have been banned under the assault weapons ban. the pistols, the semi-automatic pistols, were recovered. the medical examiner said they were not used. this information could change. but also we are now learning that these weapons were found and legally purchased by his mother at her home. >> she was in a rural area. you have them f
violence are stronger than those who want to continue the nra policies of always trying to get more guns on the street as opposed >> and i think what we need now -- >> congresswoman maloney, i'm sorry. we are out of time. i want to thank the congresswoman and josh horowitz, both for being with us. >>> that's going to do it here live from connecticut. i'm chris jansing. nbc's coverage continues now. >>> good evening, american, and welcome to "the ed show" from new york. there are tragedies in life that shake our souls and break our hearts. today, the nation experienced one of those tragedies. every american will struggle to come to grip it's with what happened today in a small community in connecticut. sandy hook elementary school and the small community of about 27,000 residents was the site of a shooting rampage. at this hour, we know 26 people at the school were shot and killed by a lone gunman. 20 of those deceased were children. surviving students and their parents said teachers ordered children to hide in closets. witnesses reported hearing dozens of shots, as many as 100 rounds. po
after robert kennedy was killed and said, we have ten days before the nra gets mobilized. we have ten days to accomplish the bill was sitting in the judiciary committee, the gun bans, from the time when john f. kennedy was killed. and now martin luther king jr. had been killed, robert kennedy was killed. he said, you've got ten days to mobilize. you've got to get this done. they did what they could and they came up with a much smaller bill which was signed regretfully by lbj in october. >> i don't have the historical perspective that andrea does, but i have covered all the -- >> you didn't cover that '68 bill? >> no, i missed it. but i have covered the four instances of mass gun violence under obama, and i have to say the scariest thing to me with respect to newtown was when i g-chatted my fellow editor in new york to plot out coverage, and we knew exactly what to do because we had done it three times before. it had gotten so routine and so disturbing to us and i'm worried i'll be writing the same story. >> we can't desensitize ourselves to this, though. >> listen, we're not going to.
of the nra ran this memorable a ad. >> as your senator, i'll protect your second amendment rights. i sued epa and i'll take dead aim at the cap and trade bill. >> on monday, manchin just one of among a handful of democrats who say when it comes to restrictions on guns, everything should be in the table. >> i don't know in my opinion in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle. i don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. >> i've had an nra rating of an a. but, you know, enough is enough. my -- i've got -- i'm the father of three daughteres and this weekend, they all said, dad, you know, how can this go on? >> senator elect joe donnelley who was elected on a strong pro gun agenda, he said in an e-mail that, quote, all parties must come to the table to work on legislation. and democratic leader harry r d reid, a long standing supporter of guns himself, he went to the floor to say he is open to new legislation on guns. >> we need to accept the reality that we're not doing enough to protect our citizens. in the coming days and weeks, we'll engage in
really makes him qualified for job. the nra calls biden, in fact, the most anti-gun vice president in history. what an honor. by picking biden, the president is sending a very strong message. the task force will not roll over to play indicate the nra. vice president biden will do the job. president obama knows it. he did not speak in generalities today. he laid out a very clear agenda. >> a majority of americans support banning the sale of military-style assault weapons. a majority of americans support banning the sale of high capacity ammunition clips. a majority of americans support laws requiring background checks before all gun purchases so that criminals can't take advantage of legal loopholes to buy a gun from somebody who won't take the responsibility of doing a background check at all. i urge the new congress to hold votes on these measures on a timely manner. >> the president wants congress to hold votes on a assault weapons ban, a ban on high-capacity magazines and background checks for all guns and owners in order to get rid of the current loopholes in the law. all of th
. and i'm not talking -- i'm a hunter. i've hunted. rifles, that's fine. if one person in this world, nra president, anybody, can tell me why we need assault weapons with 30 shots in the thing, if one person in the world -- this is our fault. this is my fault and your fault, your fault, all your faults. we don't get out and do something about this. i saw one guy from representative i was very proud of, somebody in his state had just come out and said that we need more guns. we don't need less. we need to give teachers guns so they can shoot people. yeah, that's really good thinking to do that. we can't get this thing done, i don't know what kind of country we have. >> and that's how he ended his press conference. that was syracuse head coach jim boeheim, speaking at the press conference that was called to celebrate his 900th career win in college basketball. yes, we have had a lot of mass shootings in this country. i'm not sure we have had one that has resonated quite so acutely in so many widely different areas of american life. further news today, believe it or not, out of hollywood. th
fear to speak out -- not against the nra -- to speak out against survivalists. to speak out against people that want to buy assault weapon, to speak out against people -- i mean, great. if you really do -- if you believe that james madison wrote the bill of rights so people would have the ability to squeeze off that many rounds and have these extended magazine clips, if that's your america living it, that's your america. god bless you. good luck with that. if you really believe the federal government's coming, you're going to kick down your doors, what are you going to do? are you going to shoot that weapon up at the drone? lots of luck. it's not going to help you. but that's where they're positioning themselves. they don't speak out against the slaughter of 20 young children and doing anything about that because they're afraid they may offend sur vooifrlivivalists an rushing out going to walmart and buying assault weapons. they're not going to stand up to so many of these extreme forces. and mark halperin, it's killing them because, again, you look at the cnn poll. their branding's
people agree on this issue much more than our leaders in congress. i mean 74% of nra members and gun owners support having background checks for all gun sales. right now, only 40 -- sorry, 60% of gun sales take place with a background check. so we have huge disagreement there among gun owners, nongun owners, blue states, red states, we need to see that sort of agreement on capitol hill. the people are there, we need to follow the will of the people. >> i do think sometimes there's a tremendous chasm on how guns are viewed in places like chicago, new york and california, how they're viewed in versus how they're viewed in places like i'm from in south carolina, or in rural places like newtown, connecticut. >> i think it's true that there is some disagreement, but what i'm saying is there's also a lot of agreement and a lot of things that we can do which would save a lot of lives, because another thing that we have to do, a massacre like this, causes us all to confront the specter of gun violence that happens every day, often in shootings that don't make the national news. so we need to
by the nra? >> well, i would imagine that there are members who are trying to get a 100% score from the nra, which is then used to campaign, raise money against a person who does not have the 100%. but i -- i really think that the overwhelming majority of americans are sane and they are interested in seeing that this at lee is minimized. this kind of mindless act is minimized. but look, as painful for me it is to say there are individuals no in congress who may believe it is time to ban assault weapons but who might not want to do it because they don't want the barrage of nra money and opposition coming in their direction. >> glad you said that congressman clear. i want to thank you for your concerned and your time. >> good to be one. >> thank you. >>> next up, new information on the mother of the gunman and the cache of weapons she kept in their house. for those with visions of doing this... ...this... ...and this, dancing in their heads... ...we have these. home depot gift cards. give the gift of doing, in-store or online. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military l
, namely sony, call and say whatever i can do to help, i will help. i've had a member of the nra from the central valley of california call me and say i have an ar15, which is a sister weapon to this bushmaster, which your reporter said was common. i don't believe it's common at all. it's a weapon of war. it's designed for military use. it's a civilian version of the m-16. it's a killer weapon. you have no chance against that weapon, so i profoundly disagree that all of these weapons are so usual, and we intend to introduce a bill, and i intend one way or another, month matter how long it takes, to get that bill through. there's one thing i'm sure of. in the suicide bombancy of doing something that is sound, that is practicalable, that is workable, these incidents are not going to stop. i've watched them now since the texas belltower in 1967. >> mike bloomberg just said at a briefing at city hall in new york that if the president had acted after he said he was going to act after tucson, if something had happened, we would have saved thousands and thousands of lives, that so many peopl
first baptist church in pensacola, florida, that are lifetime members of the nra, who went out hunting across northwest florida and alabama and georgia and mississippi, from the time they were 9, 10. jon meacham, you were raised in a similar culture. although you were wearing white gloves during your formative years. i'm sorry. i was struck that the most passionate people that said what you always want to hear, thank you for saying what i wanted to say. thank you for putting into words. they were -- they were, my friends from first baptist church, they were hunters, they were people that said, i'm not going to have somebody -- i'm not going to have extremists take my right to keep and bear a arms, protect my family, and go hunting with my kids. >> i think that's the key word. gun owners who think this through realize that the second amendment culture has bone totally captured by extremists since before really, but i think the marker is when, in 1994, i think, the phrase, jack booted thugs, remember, was used about the atf and people like george h.w. bush and norman schwartzcof resigned
for these years. people have been afraid of the leadership of the nra who really have to be characterized as enablers of mass murder and will continue to be so if they oppose reasonable restrictions on gun violence. you know, on friday, the same day as the tragedy that occurred in newtown, a maniac attacked an elementary school in china with a knife. he wounded 22 children but they all lived. they will all come home. the difference here is that the maniac had a gun and 26 people are dead. in china, he had a knife. 22 children were wounded but they're all going to be okay. it is our fault if we continue to let this insanity reign in this country. we know what to do about it. we have death by gun rates 15, 20 times more than any industrialized country. we know why. we have to stop this. >> ezra, there's a new "chicago trib" editorial out today by dick durbin talking about what will it take. what holds us back are political organizations that are well funded and continue to resist reasonable limitations. there is a parallel between the gridlock in washington and the erie silence in congress
a b plus or an a rating from the nra. he told "the philadelphia enquirer" he will come back for -- coming out for a new assault weapons ban and legislation banning high round magazines. he said his decision amounted to being summoned by your conscience. he said his wife had pressed him years ago joe clark, a great liberal senator, on this issue. first guy i ever voted for actually. now it's back. i know the people on the gun side of the argument, i know them closely. they will be out there vigilantly looking for any traitor they find, anybody who dares to vote for any kind of restriction, and any restrictions ends your virginity. you are the enemy. your thoughts? >> well, it's great that bob casey has come out for these things, but if all that happens at the end of the day is that we have a ban on a certain type of weapon or a certain type of magazine with a certain type of capacity, 100 bullets, let's say, we'll have failed here. you know, it's not just about the guns. it's how people get guns. what people have to do in order to get guns. we should be treating these more li
. pete, the nra not budging on its message from the press briefing that it gave on friday to the appearance on "meet the press" yesterday. their point is that the best issue for the gun control problem is not more regulation, but to have armed officers, trained armed people manning our schools. if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed away from it. the mere prospect of president obama's being elected caused a huge run on ammunition, police departments were almost running out of it. now many democrats think the situation is different because of newtown and the other mass shootings this year, so i guess we're going to find out whet
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